Removed from Mod status:

[Garou]

Am I upset. Hell no. lol. Just wanted all to be sure to know is all. Here's the conversation that occurred that led up to my removal. Whew.. less work for me.

NOT going to be edited, as it.. mistakes and all.
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 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Heya, got a sec?
.:Garou:.. says:
NOt totally. whats up?
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Just wanted to chat, see where everything blew up and went wrong in KCSins
.:Garou:.. says:
You want truth. Cold hard truth? Or would you like me to powder coat it? Either is fine. not rude, just being nice and letting you pick
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Sorry bout that, think I got my net fixed for the time being
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
So I just wanted to come to you, and find out where all of this stuff came from, and where things went downhill
.:Garou:.. says:
You want truth. Cold hard truth? Or would you like me to powder coat it? Either is fine. not rude, just being nice and letting you pick
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Cold hard truth please
.:Garou:.. says:
Alright. Everytime an issue arrises with any of your PC's, you instantly use the 'integrity' card. In all honesty, thats shit. If you had ever RPed a TTRPed. you would know.. that the rules for thigns get updated and upgraded, OR that the 'integrity' is ..nada. Shit happens to your PC, and you have to roll with it or.. Damn it, not play. You deal. It PART of the Game. GAME. Your words indicate<C>
.:Garou:.. says:
you are not JUST defendign your position but also that you are just totally unwilling to bend. When you can't have your way, you pull remove or destroy PC's YOUR.. PC's. Ones that in 90% of all these situations are integral to the RP. Many of your PC's as well, either Know MORE than they technically should, or in some situations you diregard the posting someone else makes to 'win' ina 'fight' <C>
.:Garou:.. says:
type situation so that you can have your PC make their Point, You allow the PC's you are bored with.. to loose. If it was TT, (Table top) You would have to roll for all those situations, or if you were under a judge, certain actiosn would not be allowed. That is not in ALL situations. YOu are also flexable. HOWEVER, we are speakign about recent issues. I have also noted, and this may piss you <C>
.:Garou:.. says:
off, however you have a right to know.. I have noticed your taking your OOC anger and frustration out IC. YOU, don't see it, you also deny it, but you do. At this point you may want to attack me or defend yourself. Stop, think. Read, listen. I am your friend, not some one out of the blue jsut carping on you.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Ok, and to recant this... this is not Table Top, never will be, we don't do dice rolls, and the rules stay as-is, you signed up as a Moderator to the rules that were there, that we do allow powerful characters, there is no rule stating No God-Like characters, just no God Moding, and by those rules it means playing a character one can not handle... as for my characters, there are some I have<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
been more than willing to bend on, but I just saw a trend, you and Err were changing up the rules, and re-evalutating a CS that was already up, I pulled that card to make sure it was the -only- Character Sheet that was re-evalutated, so I had to sacrifice it so other characters don't walk, as for the fighting thing, I more than accept hits, and that was kind of low, but it's alright,<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
considering you were just very, very hypocratic on that, yes, you were, Austin was -not- approved for the powers he used against Marx, healing his entire neck being pulled out, 88% of the muscles, juglar, all of it, with one touch from Juliette, and yeah, you kept him out for a couple of days, so you really can't use the whole "Main Char Fights to Win" thing, everyone does it... as for my<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
OOC into IC, I am offended by that, fully, Erin stated the same thing and I did think it over, looked over some things and no, if that were the case I would not be playing with those that I do, OOC is OOC, IC is IC and quite frankly I have no OOC aggressions about these things, at least I did not up until this point, which to me it just seems like alot of back and forth, and what I have<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
dealt with in the past, to be honest I was over everything involving Sotanos, have things set up to get KCSins back to the way it was before Sotanos left, however when the Mods start wanting to change rules they agreed with when signing up, -or- re-evaluating the -entire- character sheet, and not just the -one- power that was up for approval, I get really, really protective over KCSins, if I<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
wanted it changed, I would let the Mods change the rules so we can be just like all the other rooms, as that is what it would have come down to
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Now, as for the Sotanos thing, between you and I, he is solely based upon Obsidian Butterfly, as those that have read that book, say Sotanos is just fine, it seems everyone that has -not- read Obsidian Butterfly, have a problem with him, even though I have stated time and time again that he is based from Obsidian Butterfly, and more so JC and Anita have said time and time again, The Council<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
used to kill -All- Necromancers cause if a Necromancer was ever turned into a Vampire, then that Vampire would be more powerful than The Council... combined, that is stating something very specifically, rather than in passing that a Lycan can hold Necromantic powers, or it being fairly hinted that a Necromancer can Mark a Vampire instead of the other way around, so I still wonder... why<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
review Sotanos fully, when Austin alone is well more Original Character then Sotanos ever was?
.:Garou:.. says:
Recanting is taking back what you said, but I understand what you mean. You are right now, defending yourself. feel free, But I am not -attacking-. Merly pointing out what I see. I completely understand the No dice rules, etc, I never stated we as a room needed them. I was using it as an example. Re read my words. IF YOU PLAYED TT you would understand. Thats all. As for the Handleing of powerful<C
.:Garou:.. says:
characters, I see you -at this time- unble to handle it. You need a time out, so to speak. You may not see it, but apparently with your words about Erin, seeing the OOC draged into IC, then .. thats 2 people TWO of your close friends seeing the issue. You can deny it. you can get furious, you can be offended. However, when you can see it in ME, ERIN, YOKO, JILL, and others, well, take a long<C>
.:Garou:.. says:
slow look into the mirror, becasue Two, maybe more of your friends, is saying... step back. Chill out, and calm the hell down. Reg: Sotanos, either drop him, or leave him as is. We have discussed that. And when you PULL him. you appear a four year old, stomping his feet casue he didn't get 'his way'. Sorry, life doesn't go your way all the time. It doesn't for me either. Your ABSOLUTELY right.<C>
.:Garou:.. says:
Austin was not KC approved for RP lately, he HAD been just as Sot was, and I never RE-posted his NEW Crimson Moon abilities. They were Approved there, not in KC. However, its done. The rules the WHAT ever, is different, i have said over and over. He will go up fro review. YOu ignore that. You see that I am a hypocrit, fine. See that. I am working to NOT be, by reposting him. He gets demoted...<C>
.:Garou:.. says:
Okay. big deal. NO issue there for me. I RP. KCSins, .. you handed it to Yoko, then asked for it back, talked with Erin and I and Yoko and I on the phone numerous times, made it clear on the PHONE, you wnated it and WE wanted it as close to the books as possible. THAT is what I was going on , same as Erin, and when she was there, Yoko. Call her..ask her. She will say Yes, by the book. YOU<C>
.:Garou:.. says:
changed it when the situation did no longer suit your purpose. YOU got frustraited and angry when things were done the way you wanted. You continually say NOW... that is not what I ment. So.. am I hearing you wrong? If I am..I need a hearing aid, as does Erin and Yoko. and maybe even Jill. cause.. thas is what came out your Mouth. .. The OB stuff.. well, I have RT friends that have read the book<
.:Garou:.. says:
don't do the gaming and have said.. Sotanos would have been killed, not made into a Vamp IF you have him as a Necro. I'll read it, said I would. End of that discussion. And as for Austin.. shit.. I don't fucking Care if he goes back to being a Animator and isnt 'attached' to Juli. So what. I don't loose ANY integrity.. pft. Now.. you can rant at me more, get all offended more, or realise.. I'm<c>
.:Garou:.. says:
not mad, I'm being honest. You asked me to be. YOu wanted hard truth. here ya go. Defend away, or read it, and injest it, and realise, At least someone is trying to look out for a friend. Am I kissing UP? I.. dont kiss up.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
I get your points, I truely do, as in Sotanos' history it is stated his Creator was an egomaniacal psycho who turned him into a vamp regardless of his being a Necro, and to me it sounds like you are just talking around the questions here, so I will try more direct, in fact how about we both do that, direct questions... with direct answers...<c>
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
1. Why did you require people to post up CS' when you yourself played chars that had powers that were not approved?
.:Garou:.. says:
1)You started the room, you asked them to to begin with, Austin was orig approved for room play, and have played him as approved. Same as you with your PC's. New powers or not from other rooms, you still play them, same with everyone. YOur rules, I only back them. I personally didn't require it. You did.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
So you'll press others to follow my rules... but you will not?
.:Garou:.. says:
Now, your stretching. How many times.. have I said.. I will repost my CS? How many? tell me.. really.. tell me.. cause your not hearign that.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
I am hearing it, but you want to be utterly strict with everyone... but yourself
.:Garou:.. says:
wow. Is that all you see. that one particualr point.. I don't follow the rules. hum. when I do. I didn't realise, I -had- to, till this WHOLE situation when you poped up your new Sotanos power, and then I said.. I woudl update Austin. I've been a lazy ass, and haven't. Pardon me to all hell and back. but ..it happens. eh, so I don't play the fucker till I psot it back up. No big. Shit, I won't<C>
.:Garou:.. says:
play Ramirez, and my Fay and Morgan for tha matter. ot gonna die. pft. I.. don't care about that, and if its cause "Nichole your not following the rules" (whiney voice).. So be it.. I shall.. and am.. Now.. anythign else??
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Alright, now you're back to talking around the points here, strangely enough I am calm about this, utterly, I could care less about Sotanos, I removed him, period, over and done with... my point is that you have broken well too many rules and Moderator Guidelines in too short a period of time, which we have already discussed, so from now on I say we just drop Sotanos and move on, sorry for<c>
.:Garou:.. says:
really? interestign, this only coems up NOW?? wow, interesting.
.:Garou:.. says:
I like how convienient it is.. ~chuckles
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
using him as an example... I just want to know, because with this situation yes, it brings everything to light, along with it being brought up by others... yeah, I was leinent on you for it, as now you will try and disregard me coming to you about the Nessa/Jen thing, and how that was a problem?
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
That is where it started, and progressed to you using powers that were not in the CS, as for my chars, they only use powers in their CSes
.:Garou:.. says:
You've really lost me here.. and I .. don't really care. What do you want kyle? Me to step down? fire me? what? "Your to be a mod till KC closes".. your words not mine. YOu feel I'm not upholding the rules. okey. What exactly would you like me to do? The CS had been approved for play. states that orig, the update wasn't -needed-, that I knew of, till just ohh reciently. I'll reitterate. What..<C>
.:Garou:.. says:
would YOU..like me to do. ~sits~
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Ok, I will try an even more calm approach here, you keep turning things back on me, quoting me, trying to throw my words back at me to -not- answer the questions presented to you... if you will be strict to some... why could you not lead by example, and follow the rules, -as-, if this were anyone else you would have told them to put it in their CS, or they don't get it, so again why the hypocracy?
.:Garou:.. says:
Whatever.. okay.. till you updated Sotanos, I didn't know I was supposed to Update Austin, there is no requirement listed. I can't follow the rules and be self-strict, if I don't know its there to be strict with. How can be a hypocrit, when, I don't KNOW.?? YOu want this shit done., Post the rules. esp since Most people Don't update. How about Anthanna? Ariel? Drake? Fiona? .. Vanessa. .We go by<
.:Garou:.. says:
YOUR example as well. and I have said now at LEAST a hundred times I will gladly update now that I bloody well know. Do you understand that. Get off my back on that. THAT is what is infuriating. Your not hearing that. I am going to. Hello.. repeat that Kyle. Nichole, is updating now that she knows she is supposed to. Say it with me now.. Nichole.. is updating now that she knows she is supposed to.
.:Garou:.. says:
ne more time..
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Read Rule 11 please
.:Garou:.. says:
No. I'm going to go have fun. I will read shit later.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
lol, and now who is being childish Niccy?
.:Garou:.. says:
You, cause its not ment to be work.. right?? lol. I can read it.. tomorrow. .I have the time and inclination then. I would like to have some fun Kyle.
.:Garou:.. says:
take me off, remove me.. really . .I don't care. Honest. I want to have fun. I want to enjoy my ime. YOu think I suck.. Okay. fire me. ~shrugs~ Not gonna cry over it. lol.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Ok, then I tried, I honestly did here, no, it's not supposed to be work, it is supposed to be fun, laid back, by the books is still kept as such, same with Sotanos, by the books Sotanos could be a hell of alot more powerful than he is, and yes, again, I am very protective over the room, not just my chars as Sotanos is gone, I am rectifying things for that and will do so,<c>
.:Garou:.. says:
good good. Take care of your room. fabo. ~nods~ make sure all do what ya want. I'm gonna play..
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
So you are stepping down?
.:Garou:.. says:
I never said that. -reads my typing- wheres it say that?? Where??
.:Garou:.. says:
Looks harder-
.:Garou:.. says:
Wow.. I don't see that.
.:Garou:.. says:
You really read that??
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Calm down, and it led to that with the post atop fo that question
.:Garou:.. says:
Kyle.. I would like to have some fun. You and I can discuss this tomorrow. Actually. I have been calm. I'm not in the mood to tallk on this right now.and I have that right. Let me realx, and we can finish later. Okay? Its nt going anywhere. And I am needing to update CSs and other things. Its late. And I'm going to have fun. okay? thanks. appreciate it.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Then so be it, I will be the bad guy here... thank you for all of your work on KCSins, I appreciate it but I am removing you from Mod status, I do hope you continue to play in KCSins
.:Garou:.. says:
NIfty. can't give me my chill out and have fun time. WOW. your really awesome. And being a mod in a room where the owner won't allow a person to relax and chill it really diheartening. Glad to know this now. thanks..
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Call it what you will as I am sure you will paint the picture to that with he said she said, as I simply asked you to answer simple questions, then when given the rule that states clearly about the needing approval, you run away
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
I don't see it as wanting to chill... I see it as a cop out, plain and simple
.:Garou:.. says:
No. Kyle I asked to talk about it TOMORROW.
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
Funny timing you have on it too... we both must have that great timing
.:Garou:.. says:
Its late.
.:Garou:.. says:
Enough.
.:Garou:.. says:
Stop
 Kyle- Bloody Marvelous says:
On a personal note, I hope you rest well when you do, as this is nothing personal
.:Garou:.. says:
same.

[Lypi]

~taps finger to chin and thinks a moment~

Even though I am not a mod...

And even though I was not directly involved in the conversation...

I am a section leader... I was mentioned in the convo...

So... I'm going to comment as best I can.

Alright Kyle, Nic... no favorites here... BOTH OF YOU NEED TO CHILL THEH FUCK OUT... Its a game... look... Role PLAYING GAME. Say it with me now... go ahead, you can do it. Can even sing if you want to.

Kyle, man, your going to see this as an attack, that I'm defending Nic or some other such thing that is far from what these words truely are, but your like that and I love ya for it... sometimes... Kyle... grow the fuck up baby... I read this convo and watched you dance, and dance, and do the two step through the ENTIRE thing. You wanted Nic to answer questions... DIRECT questions. When she did do that, you said she didn't. I don't know how much more direct of an answer you want less you prefer it smacked upside your pretty little head with a billy club. Come on man, your better than this shit and you've been at this game for long enough that you should know by now. Pay more attention and write it down somewhere that this is all meant for fun... entertainment... a place to enjoy yourself. Unless your going to start paying people for this shit, 'drop it... let it go man.

And yes, I have to say that I've seen you bleed your ooc feelings ic. Deny it all day and night, whatever helps you sleep but hun, I've seen it. So have others. Its scary... and you and I have talked at length about the dangers of mixing the two... And you KNOW what I am talking about. I've been there and there is nothing wrong with admitting there is an issue. Your better off doing it that way then getting as bad I as did. This is not meant as an attack but, in your words here, an intervention. I will tell you what I have told several others, some in the more recent months. I care, otherwise I would have never posted or spoken up. So... step back a few feet, look at things and see... three out of four people agree... you need an rp time out!!!

Nic...Well... I agree with you on your points... mostly. I don't know a thing about the whole cs thing... Don't want to know. Its a damn game after all.

Both of you... LET it GO... bye bye shoo... and as a side note... Just because someone says LETS TALK ABOUT IT LATER doesn't mean its a cop out or they are running away. Now if later its said, lets talk about blah blah blah and you keep getting the run around... then yeah, get curious... BUT when its over a game. Let. It. Go. Its sooooooooooooo not worth the pissing contest.

And just for the record... these are MY words, thoughts opinions and what not. Should I get pulled as a section leader for it... fine by me... I'll have a comment about that too.. IF it happens.

Chow for now... should you want to get in touch with me, you know how to reach me!!

Da Lypi